Dec/090
T-Wolves Trending the Wrong Way
With the firing of McHale and a change of the guard at GM, Wolves fans finally had something to cheer about this past off-season. A new coach more famous for his eye wear than his coaching prowess and a new young team featuring a lightning quick point guard. To say there are growing pains would be an understatement, so far the 2009-2010 Wolves could be on their way to the worst season in NBA history.
The more disturbing fact to Wolves fans has been the steady decline of the franchise. CBS sports reports Wolves ticket revenue is off 24% this year, the second worst year-to-year decline in the NBA. The bigger story is that the Wolves are a below $500K club. There are only 8 NBA teams who average below $500K in gate receipts per game. There are 7 NBA teams (12 last year) who are averaging above $1M gate receipts per game this year.
These figures are important as it relates to free agents and building for the future. The Wolves, before the season even begins are $10M - $20M behind in revenue right from the start. If free agents are available to fill the Wolves needs, the Wolves simply can't afford them. Teams like the Nuggets and Blazers, both Northwest Division foes, can add depth, scoring and defense to their rosters, simply because they have the revenue to do so.
So what's it all mean? The only real way to re-build the Wolves is through the draft. That's the good news, the Wolves are loaded with picks and retain assets they can easily trade to gain more picks. The bad news, the Wolves are trending the wrong way. Each year the team loses more and more games and offers little hope a turn around is in sight.
The wins, they are not improving...
To be fair the new regime should be given at least a year to show some sort of progress, lets watch, wait and hope next year we won't be saying the same thing.
"With the first pick of the 2010 NBA Draft, the Minnesota Timberwolves select.....John Wall, Guard, Kentucky"
- John Wall Kentucky Guard
Aug/091
OJ Mayo vs. Miller The Final Review
Not to beat a dead horse since the Wolves have finally dumped one of the worst GM's in history, but lets take a final look at the flawed theory that trading away OJ Mayo and replacing him with Mike Miller's outside game so we could get Kevin Love could make any sense at all.
As you know the Gold Seat has never been a fan of McHale's moves and the OJ Mayo trade is a great example. When Mike Miller was brought it the pundits (the professor) said, "oh, it will work, he's a great outside threat". A quick examination of the numbers would prove otherwise.
Right from the start we can see OJ Mayo is the superior player. If you're looking for offensive threat which was the premise in bringing Miller in, than OJ delivers double the points per game.
But this is the one that really hurts. OJ is the more prolific 3PT shooter. It just hurts.
And to add insult to injury, Mayo's a lot cheaper. Looking back now it's obvious trading Mayo was the wrong thing to do. Luckily for us McHale's genius is no longer with us and so hopefully doomed moves like this won't continue to haunt us. With that I retire the Mayo / Love / Miller debate. Good night.
Jun/095
Rubio Pick Now Becoming More Clear
When the Timberwolves drafted 4 PG's in the 2009 NBA Draft they had basketball fans worldwide scratching their heads. One day later the moves are starting to make a little more sense.
In today's economy it is no secret the most valuable players in NBA are one's with expiring or low contracts. Twelve teams have received loans from the NBA front office. Watching the NBA draft you'd think every team was trying to sell their pick for dead beat expiring players or cash (two did, LA and WAS).
It is this environment that MN found itself with 4 picks in the first round of what many experts were calling the worst draft class since Kenyon Martin's #1 overall 2000 draft. Direct from wikipedia:
Sports Illustrated named this entire draft class (as opposed to individual players) the 6th biggest "draft bust" of the modern era - making it the only draft class among the site's top 20 list. Just before the 2009 draft, ESPN.com columnist David Schoenfield wrote a piece in which he rated all of the drafts since the institution of the draft lottery in 1985, and the only draft which he gave a grade of 'F" was the 2000 draft. Side note: It's ironically funny because the draft was held in MN and every draft since then has been held in NY.
The Wolves then potentially have 4 picks in what many people think may be a top 5 worst draft class since 1985. What to do? Would it make sense to develop a 2 or 3 year plan? Try fixing the one glaring PG need and horde picks and players in the future? Would there be a way to take this years 4 and instead turn it into 3 picks in next years draft? A draft with more talent?
It's no secret Glen Taylor is a business man first. There is no reason to invest tens of millions into players that won't create wins in a tough Western Conference. The only logical thing to do is build for 2 or 3 years out.
With that said Ricky Rubio wasn't or will never be in MN's 2 or 3 years out plan. Here's what hoopshype.com looked like on Friday, June 26th.
When you consider Rubio doesn't want to play for MN and it would cost an est. $5-$6M to buy him out of his Euro contract MN was never going to be the place Rubio played.
The Wolves new GM is David Kahn. Kahn spent the better part of a decade in the Indian Pacers front office. His boss - the new New York Knicks GM Donnie Walsh. ie. the perfect trade partner. Rubio has said he wants to play in NY. NY is the only team that can really afford to throw millions at Rubio to buy him out and sign him to a long term deal.
Ricky Rubio's agent is Dan Fegan. Fegan got Chinese YI Jianlian out of Milwaukee and into New Jersey a larger market where he preferred to be. The Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni was just on ESPN radio praising how he loves coaching Euro players so much he traded for one of the NBA's biggest draft pick flops - Darko Milicic.
Rubio holds all the cards, he can play one or two more years in Spain if he likes. But the Wolves made the smartest move when they took him anyway. They now own the rights to a player many NBA teams will covet. The Wolves own the bait and will get much more for him in return (ie. expiring contracts, draft picks, maybe even a sleeper).
If you do believe the Wolves are 2 or 3 years away then trading Rubio for a small forward, saving a bunch of money, maybe getting a draft pick or two makes the most sense. Trading away Lawson to Denver for a future draft pick also makes sense.
The Wolves know they have to run the team like a business and there is no way they can compete in the West this year with what they currently have with Rubio or not. By making the right moves to clear salary, horde future picks and maybe pick up a solid speedy PG with a 40" inch vertical...the Wolves are erasing a dozen years of draft day blunders under former GM, God Bless his Soul, Kevin McHale.
Here's a snapshot of the salary situation before this years draft. I like the idea of creating enough space now to go grab 1 or even 2 max deal elite players in free agency in 2011 and 2012. That is if we can convince someone to handle the cold. The Wolves are setting themselves up to go shopping in 2011 and 2012.
It's all part of the 2 or 3 year plan. Too bad there isn't a Roy and/or Mayo around, instead of talking rebuilding we'd be talking about what one piece we could add to make a deep playoff run.
Jul/086
Why Mayo Is Right and Love Is Wrong
The professor gives too much credit to Kevin McHale and his ability to find talent in a draft. The fact that McHale likes Love should be reason enough to question the draft pick as McHale has never drafted an All-Star (except Garnett a HS project that happened to work out 13 yrs ago and some All-Stars he traded away on draft day).
The problem with drafting Love is that you don't get any upside. What you get is a predictable 6' 10" guy who won't change defenses. NBA history has shown little success for heavier set power forward types over the years. The power forward position has turned into small forwards converted for mismatches or centers converted for mismatches. You have Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, Bosh, Boozer, Jermaine O'Neal, Gasol and Jamison. Everyone of these players is more athletic than Love.
When Love was graded for the draft in 12 categories he scored well except in quickness and defense. I think this scouting report says it best:
Weaknesses: At 6-9, he is undersized and he also lacks great athleticism to offset this size deficiency ... Was not in the greatest shape this season, often being the last man up the court and getting winded very quickly ... Needs to work on fitness, could stand to lose some weight and put on more muscle ... Weight and speed could always be an issue, as even when "in shape" he lacks great speed in the floor or laterally ... Was able to get away with overpowering opponents in college, yet questions remain how his game translates against bigger, quicker and more athletic opponents at the next level ... At times this season he struggled getting his shot off against taller defenders, more specifically the Lopez twins of Stanford, who forced him into off-balance shots and uncharacteristic turnovers ... His one-on-one arsenal in the post is a bit predictable, as he almost always operates on the right block and prefers to turn to his left shoulder often finishing with a right hook ... He gets into trouble when trying to do too much off the dribble because quicker defenders are able to slide over and force him into turning the ball over ... Defensively he will have trouble matching up as he is undersized and because he has less than ideal lateral quickness ... His lack of speed will make it extremely difficult for him to play for a running style of team ...
Well the good news is the Timberwolves aren't a running team. The one thing that comes up again and again is quickness. That's one of the only things that matters in the NBA, at 6-10 he will have no height advantage like he had in college.
In college over his Pac10 season he shot more and more 3's. Boozer shot 1 in three years of college. If you take away Love's 3 pointers he average about 15 a game. I see Jamison and Dirk as shooters because of their quickness or height, I don't see Love doing much of that in the NBA.
I'm not saying he can't be a solid 10 points, 8 rb's a game kind of guy, but that's exactly what you are going to get. We now have 2 power forwards on our team with the exact same game. I just don't see how a Love will get you 10-20 more wins each year.
I'm not declaring Mayo will be the next great shooting guard or small forward, I'm just saying there is a better chance that someone in that position can make a bigger impact on a team vs. a Love type player. You look at the 2008 NBA All-Stars and you see Wade, Kidd, Allen, Billups, Hamilton, Joe Johnson, Pierce, Bryant, Roy, Chris Paul and you think Mayo could be one of of those players. In the NBA it's easier for him to produce those type results with his style game than it is for a Kevin Love to join Duncan and Garnett.
This is one case where I do think taking a very slight risk on a Mayo could potentially get you 10-20 more games a year. Taking a Love no matter how great he becomes won't accomplish that type difference. The NBA is not a place for 3 pt shooting power forward white guys.
If nothing else you seriously have to question the man running each draft and wonder why he really likes a guy, for 13 years that has been a horrible sign.
Jul/081
Ode to the Newest ‘Pup
Ok, 'California' Kevin Love isn't flashy like OJ Mayo, but he absolutely has the potential to be a Carlos Boozer-type power forward next to Big Al, and Mike Miller might be our highest scoring player for the next 5 years. Meanwhile, Mayo absolutely has the potential to be the next Larry Hughes or Ricky 'Avis..
Jun/081
Kevin McIdiot
It's official, we now have the Timberwolves Trilogy. Go out and buy the box set and please, please, please buy tickets to watch our team lose 50 games next season.
Episode I - Ray Allen traded on draft day for Starbury - Oh what a joy it was to watch this deal materialize into some first round losses. Allen & Garnett, hmmm...didn't they just win a title together 5 yrs after their prime? Episode I What Could Have Been.
Episode II - Brandon Roy traded on draft day for Randy Foye - It only took one year to find out this was a bad deal. Roy goes on to the win the ROY in 2007 and makes the All Star team in 2008. Foye gets you 43 starts over two years and manages a decent 11 pts and 3 assists per game so far, the equivalent of a glorified bench player. Roy has been averaging 18 pts and 5 dimes over two years. Episode II How We Traded Away An All Star Again.
Episode III - OJ Mayo traded on draft day for Kevin Love - Here's the best part, when talking about how great the deal was for the Wolves GM Jim Stack predicts the Wolves will become "a major player" in the 2010 free agent market. Great, lets mortgage another potential All Star, trade him away for the 2nd coming of NBA bust Marcus Fizer who was also about the same height and weight. Seriously, do we need another Mad Dog on this team? Episode III How We Got Stuck With the Un-Athletic Slow White Guy.
Since when was draft day about setting up your contracts two seasons away? I give up. Lets make it five straight years without making the playoffs. Sweet!
Apr/082
Oh How I Think Fondly of Past NBA Drafts
With the 3rd Pick in the 2008 NBA Draft the Minnesota Timberwolves select:
Apr/080
Coin Flip for Second Slot in Lottery?
Ok, with 4 games remaining the Timberwolves are currently slotted in the 3rd best position in the draft lottery, which would give them a 15.6% chance of landing the #1 overall pick. However, at 19-59 the Timberwolves are only one game in the win column ahead of the Seattle Supersonics (18-61). This means that to catch Seattle the Supersonics will have to win one more game than the Timberwolves the rest of the way. Complicating matters is that Seattle has three games left and the Timberwolves have four.
On first blush it would appear that we have no chance in this equation. Seattle's three remaining games are against solid Western Conference opponents (San Antonio, Dallas and Golden State). However, here is the scenario by which we could catch Seattle. The Timberwolves have 4 remaining games, the next 3 of them on the road. I predict that we will lose out. We play Orlando, Memphis and Detroit on the road in the next week or so, and will lose all three. The only close game will be at Memphis, but Rudy Gay will prove to be too much on the road. Then we come home for the final game against Milwaukee, which we will use to give backups extended minutes to try to determine who should remain on the roster for next year (Richard, Smith, Telfair, Snyder, etc.).
If we finish the year 19-63 we have a shot. The reason being that Seattle will win one of its remaining games, and here's why: First they play San Antonio. There's a chance that Duncan and company could be resting their players. They have no shot at catching New Orleans for the number one spot in the West and might not have a huge preference whether they play Dallas or Phoenix. Seattle's second game is against Dallas. This is more of a long shot, but it's possible that Dallas might not want to win out, because securing the 7th spot means that they will have to play SA or LA. If you're SA, why not lose a couple, grab the 8th spot and play New Orleans in the first round? Which brings us to the game that I think Seattle has the greatest chance to win: Golden State. Right now GS is in the 9th spot, on the outside looking in. By the last game of the season they will likely be officially eliminated, deflated, and looking to next year. On the other hand, Seattle has a lot of young talent who will be looking to make a statement for playing time to the coaches going into the offseason. If, and it's a big if, Seattle can pull out one of these three games for the reasons I have stated, and if the Timberwolves do the prudent thing and lose out, the Timberwolves will have a chance at a coin flip to see who gets the second slot and a 19.9% chance at grabbing Michael Beasley or Derrick Rose with the number one pick on May 20th. Here's hoping that the Supersonics will finish their run in Seattle on a strong note - maybe even win a couple more games..
Rose or Beasley, who do you want when it all unfolds?
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Aug/0711
The New Timberpups: Part IV (Ryan Gomes)
By now even the deafest timberwolf fan should have heard the news that Kevin Garnett has been traded to Boston. It is a trade that I agree with in principle, but am sad about from a nostalgia standpoint. It’s the end of an era in Minnesota sports history that began with so much promise and ended with too many regrets. To avoid shedding a tear over the recent developments, I will focus on which players the Wolves got in return for sending KG to finally play with Ray Allen. Before I get started, here is a refresher on what the trade entailed: Kevin Garnett for Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, Ryan Gomes, Theo Ratliff, the first round pick that we gave Boston in the Davis/Szczerbiak trade (likely a 2009 pick), and Boston’s 2009 pick.
Ryan Gomes scored 12.1 ppg and grabbed 5.6 rpg in 73 games for Boston last year, and is generally acknowledged to be one of the classiest players in the league. Overlooked in the 2005 NBA Draft (50th overall) much like Craig Smith in the 2006 Draft, Gomes will be a pleasant surprise to Minnesota fans who have yet to become familiar with his talents. What Gomes will give the Timberwolf faithful is well above average rebounding and jump shooting. When you watch Gomes play, what you come away with are two things. The first is that he has a really good feel for rebounding; he is constantly getting into position and getting his hand on balls (giggety..). The second thing you will notice about Ryan when he steps foot on the Target Center floor is that he is virtually automatic from 15 to 19 feet. Ala Sam Mitchell and Malik Sealy (God bless the dead), Gomes will knock down that 19th footer consistently, which will force defenders to stay honest and leave the lane open for the likes of Foye, Ricky, Shaddy and Brewer.
Despite a highly successful career as an All-America power forward at Providence College where he also played with prospect Herbert Hill in the Big East Conference, the 6'7.75" Gomes fell in the 2005 NBA Draft to the late second round. His size and abilities did not fit scouts' prototypical image of either a power forward or a small forward. Celtics' director of basketball operations Danny Ainge, however, felt that Gomes' track record and work ethic were enough to take a chance on the local product with the 50th pick overall
2005-06 season
Wearing number 4, Gomes was expected to play off the bench in his rookie season spelling Celtics star Paul Pierce. His playing time and statistical impact were limited early in the season. However, on January 26, 2006, the Celtics executed a multiplayer trade with us that freed up roster space for Gomes to play. Soon after that, fellow Celtic Kendrick Perkins was injured and Gomes was inserted in the starting line-up.
After becoming a starter, Gomes excelled, and kept his job even after Perkins returned. On February 24, 2006 he collected 17 rebounds and scored 13 points. Gomes scored at least 10 points in 21 of the 29 games he started in 2006, and in 7 of those games he also had at least 10 rebounds. The second half of his rookie season was a definite success.
Gomes hustles relentlessly, and Celtics television color commentary man Tommy Heinsohn described Gomes as the best offensive rebounder on the Celtics' roster. Despite his relatively small size, Gomes positions himself well on the court to rebound, and uses his hands well for easy put-back buckets and lay-ups. Gomes was named to the NBA All-Rookie Second Team for the 2005-2006 season, and chose to play in the Celtic's 2006 NBA summer-league team. Gomes was named to the summer league all-first team for the second consecutive year--Joining Foye and Craig Smith with that honor.
2006-07 seasonGomes continued to make a significant impact starting 60 games for the Celtics in the 2006-07 season. Gomes averaged more than 30 minutes played, scoring 12.1 points per game, along with 1.6 assists and 5.6 rebounds. On November 8, 2006 Gomes recorded his first career triple-double collecting 10 points, 12 rebounds, and 10 assists against the Charlotte Bobcats in the Celtics' first win of the 2006-07 season after an 0-3 start. On January 20, Gomes scored a career high 31 points in an overtime loss to the Washington Wizards. Coming off the bench on March 4, 2007, Gomes tied his career high of 17 rebounds and scored 21 points while playing a total of 51 minutes in a double overtime victory against the Minnesota Timberwolves.
On March 7, Gomes sprained his left foot and did not play in the second half of the game against the Houston Rockets. He sat out the following 7 games, and returned to the Celtics' roster playing limited minutes beginning on March 21. Near the end of the season, Gomes began regularly shooting three point shots, making 14 of 34 in April, after shooting only 5 for 17 in his career to that point.
Gomes attracted the attention of the national media for comments he made following a Celtics' loss to the Milwaukee Bucks on April 13. Neither Gomes nor starting point guard Rajon Rondo played in the game's final, decisive minutes. After, Gomes said, "I probably (would have played), but since we were in the hunt for a high draft pick, of course things are different." This was the first public comment by a Celtic in 2007 implying that the team was losing games purposely, to enhance their status for the 2007 NBA Draft. NBA Commissioner David Stern reportedly sought to speak with Gomes regarding his comments.
On a related note, watch for my next post which will be entitled: "Why the hell didn't we get Rajon Rondo????????????? Are you freaking kidding me, McHale!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Here are some career highlights from Ryan Gomes:
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Aug/0711
The New Timberpups: Part III (Sebastian Telfair)
By now even the deafest timberwolf fan should have heard the news that Kevin Garnett has been traded to Boston. It is a trade that I agree with in principle, but am sad about from a nostalgia standpoint. It’s the end of an era in Minnesota sports history that began with so much promise and ended with too many regrets. To avoid shedding a tear over the recent developments, I will focus on which players the Wolves got in return for sending KG to finally play with Ray Allen. Before I get started, here is a refresher on what the trade entailed: Kevin Garnett for Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, Ryan Gomes, Theo Ratliff, the first round pick that we gave Boston in the Davis/Szczerbiak trade (likely a 2009 pick), and Boston’s 2009 pick.
Certainly the most enigmatic piece of the trade is Sebastian Telfair. Telfair began as a high school hoops legend, becomming the shortest high school to NBA player in league history. After bursting on the scene as a high school freshman at the Adidas ABCD camp in 2000, Telfair became one of the most well known high school basketball players in the country. There was even talk that he might become the best point guard to ever come out of Brooklyn; a borough that produced Marbury, former North Carolina star Ed Cota, and Indiana Pacers' guard Jamaal Tinsley. The cousin of New York Knicks guard Stephon Marbury, and the half-brother of former NBA player Jamel Thomas, Telfair led Lincoln High to three New York City PSAL titles and one state championship. He was the first player in history to win three PSAL titles. He finished his high school career as New York State’s all-time leading scorer, surpassing Kenny Anderson. Telfair was the 13th overall pick in the 2004 NBA Draft by the Portland Trail Blazers. He had committed to the University of Louisville and coach Rick Pitino during his senior year, but decided to turn professional instead.
Unfortunately, the success Telfair experienced as an amateur has not translated to the professional level. Sebastian's pro career has been highlighted by controversy and underachievement. Many believe Telfair is one of the strongest cases for the new minimum age requirement of the NBA.
On February 15, 2006, a loaded handgun was found in Telfair's pillowcase on the Blazers' private jet at Boston's Logan International Airport. Telfair told authorities the gun belonged to his girlfriend and that he inadvertently grabbed the wrong bag when leaving for the team's road trip. The gun was registered to Samantha Q. Rodriguez, Telfair's girlfriend of five years. On February 21, the Massachusetts State Police announced that no charges would be filed against Telfair in the incident (Massachusetts has very strict gun laws, the violation of which can lead to a prison sentence). On February 23, the NBA front office announced that Telfair would receive a 2-game suspension for breaking the league's collective bargaining agreement, which prohibits NBA players from carrying firearms while on league business.
Then, on October 16, 2006, Telfair had a chain reported to be worth $50,000 snatched from him while he was outside P Diddy's restaurant, Justin's. The following night, Telfair left a preseason basketball game against the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden to attend a police lineup, where he did not make any identification. A rumor began to circulate that he was seen making a phone call roughly an hour before rapper Fabolous was shot outside of the same club. Telfair voluntarily surrendered his cell phone records to police, and is not under investigation for any involvement, despite rumors to the contrary. It was later found that the chain belonged to Geonne Telfair, Telfair's younger sibling, and Telfair was reimbursed for the stolen property.
Apparently still not done playing with guns, Telfair and a friend, Al Eden Fuentes, were arrested early on April 20, 2007 and charged with felony possession of a weapon, after a traffic stop. The traffic stop was prompted when Telfair was spotted driving his 2006 Range Rover 77 mph on the Bronx River Parkway, a 45 mph zone. Telfair was driving under a suspended Florida license. When the police searched Telfair's vehicle, a loaded .45 caliber handgun was found under the passenger's seat. Both Telfair and Eden claimed to not have any knowledge of the handgun. Police have yet to determine the registration status of the handgun.
2005-2006
On January 1, 2005 Telfair had something of a breakout game by scoring 14 points on 5-11 shooting, making 4 of 5 free throws to go with 5 rebounds and 5 assists with only 1 turnover.
In February 2005, interim coach Kevin Pritchard promoted Telfair to the starting lineup. Although Telfair put up decent numbers, the Trail Blazers lost 23 of their final 28 games and finished with the team's worst record since 1975.
2005-2006
Under new head coach Nate McMillan, Telfair began the 2005-06 season as the starting point guard. He was occasionally paired in the backcourt with another high-school draftee taken in 2005, Martell Webster. Telfair's production was an improvement over his 2004-05 numbers, but it was still considered below par for an NBA starting point guard. As a result, he experienced increasing pressure from the Portland media. In December 2005, Telfair suffered a thumb injury and was replaced in the starting lineup by Steve Blake. Blake was less flashy but had fewer turnovers and more assists. Telfair returned to the court on January 9, after missing 12 games. Blake continued to start with Telfair coming off the bench. Although the Trail Blazers were eliminated from playoff contention, Telfair scored the winning basket against the Houston Rockets on April 5, 2006.
2006-2007
On June 28, the Trail Blazers traded Telfair along with center Theo Ratliff and a 2008 second-round pick to the Boston Celtics for guard Dan Dickau, center-forward Raef LaFrentz, and the 7th overall pick in the 2006 NBA Draft, Randy Foye, who was traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves for the 6th overall pick, Brandon Roy. On April 24, 2007 Celtics managing partner Wyc Grousbeck announced that Telfair's nameplate on his Celtics locker had been removed and did not expect him back for the 2007-08 season.
2007-2008
On June 8, Danny Ainge stated that it is still possible Telfair will remain a Celtic. However on July 31, 2007 the Associated Press reported that Telfair had been traded (along with Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Theo Ratliff, and two first-round draft picks) to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Kevin Garnett. Telfair will wear Wolves jersey number 3, which was used before by cousin Stephon Marbury--Great... that worked out well for us last time!
I guess our hope for the future is that Telfair can finally achieve his full potential under the bright lights of Target Center. At least our hope should be that he doesn't pull Foye, McCants or Al Jefferson into gun violence and gang wars...
Street Ball Highlights:
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Through the Fire Mix:
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